[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Welcome to disability empowerment now, CGYM4. I'm your host, Keith Murphy Dinsini. Today I'm talking to Gage Khan, who is the podcast host of Autism Talk.
Gage, welcome to the show.
[00:00:41] Speaker B: Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here and just grateful to connect with you and just bring more awareness to autism.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: Thank you so much.
I know we met on LinkedIn.
I think I followed you.
Tell me about how long you've been doing your podcast and the origins of it.
[00:01:13] Speaker B: How long I've been doing this particular podcast. I've been doing Autism Talk about April, but this kind of started before then. It was actually originally called Real Talk, and I wanted to bring guests on, just talk about the journey and what that brought them here.
And I just really wanted to share their stories and give people perspectives of. You were capable of much more than people think we are, you know, even what we think we are, because we kind of block ourselves from our potential, you know, because of doubts and things like that. And especially with autism, I believe is a gift and it's a power, you know, it's just learn how to use it.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
When did you find out about your autism diagnosis and how did you relate to it? How did that make you feel? Would that journey, or is it just.
It's judge me.
[00:02:18] Speaker B: Oh.
I was diagnosed autism at 5, but I did not find out till I was.
I was probably like. Because I was like in middle school, so I was probably like around 13, 14. And the moment I found that, I was very denial of it because I thought at that point in my life, I thought there's something wrong with autism because just because the.
The perspective everyone have and how they kind of treated people of autism, you know, they would treat them not very well and kind of pity them. They didn't really look at them as much as people, you know, they're almost below them.
And so I never looked at autism as a great saying until much later in life.
So I didn't react to it very well, and I just felt very angry and upset at that, at that time frame.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: What changed for you in working your way through that anger?
[00:03:20] Speaker B: What happened? It was. Everything flooded over.
Now. This happened like probably like two years after, after I graduated high school, and I took a year off because I was still thinking about if I want to go to college or not. And I just. I went to a severe depressive state, and it just kind of flooded all over. You know, I just kind of had. I broke down and luckily I had my brother to talk with. And that really helped me release a lot. And after. After working through that and kind of doing things that I thought I was incapable of, like meditation and working out, I was able to just let go. And finally, like, I kind of realization of, like, man, this is killing me, you know, because I was angry at a lot of people, and I was angry. I didn't like myself, and I was very angry at myself. And it wasn't until I just let. I just cried and let that go.
It just felt a big shot of relief, like.
Like a rock was off my back.
And that was when I could. That's when I reached out to groups and talked to other people with autism. And I started to see, you know, my autism is a bad thing. It's actually a gift, you know, and there's so many examples of that. Albert Einstein, Eli Musk, Gerda Thunderberg. She's an environmentalist. Like, there's so many people that have examples, these powers. And that's when I realized that I just gotta find my own.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: And so tell me more. What got you in to podcasting, in inviting people on to tell their stories? Our shows are very similar in that regard.
And so take me through that journey of what you do now.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: Well, it actually started.
It was like a couple. I was like, my senior year of high school, and I was around 19 at this point, and I made a video because I was like, man, I just bought. It actually didn't start out with autism or even football, which I get until later on. But I actually was just a TV series. It's called the Witcher. And I just like, oh, I'm gonna make a video about this. And I decided to, like, start a podcast.
The name is in. It's a little silly, but it's called Gage Crazy Dog. That's the original name for it. And.
And it kind of started off like that. And then I started to get like, okay, what is something I want to do? Like, I can do a lot consistently that people might enjoy. And that's when I got into football. I was Minnesota Vikings fan originally. Now I'm a Bucks fan. But it started off at that age, and then I got into football. And it wasn't until probably about a year ago until I really got into autism.
And I kind of just wanted to share people's stories. It started. And during that time that I went. I'm actually in Florida now. I got here around 20, 21, and that's when I started doing the pot.
I'm sorry, did you say something?
[00:06:41] Speaker A: No, I did.
[00:06:45] Speaker B: Oh, your file just second.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: So it started off in 2021, and that's when I started podcast. You bucked that. It was very good, connective. A lot of people on Twitter and social media.
Amazing community, by the way.
And I had a guest on, and actually it was one of these football players that I met through the xfl, Devin Darrington. And I just love the story, you know, he was talking about his life as a player and as a person, and it just touched me deeply, you know, and I was like, I want to share more people's stories. You know, people that have gone through adversity and pushed through that and shown people that anything is possible.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: That's very empowering.
So how do you prepare for interviews to help people share their stories?
[00:07:48] Speaker B: Well, I kind of like to do a little practice beforehand, so I'll talk to the people. Because for me, like, my process of interviews, I like it to be a flow. I don't like anything to be scripted or forced or anything like that because it shouldn't have to be.
And my main philosophy is like, this should be comfortable. It should be almost like we're hanging out and talking, you know, it's kind of like how I like to do do it.
And so I talked to them beforehand, see what they want to talk about, and kind of just do a little prep beforehand, what I do before interviews, before I talk to anybody, because, as you know, there's always nervousness that comes through beforehand. So I like to do a meditation, get my. Get my mind primed and.
And do the best possible job I can.
[00:08:33] Speaker A: What kind of meditation do you do?
[00:08:38] Speaker B: A presence meditation. So I just breathe, I feel my body, my mind, and I quiet my mind, because as we know, our minds can run on, like, relentlessly. So I like to get that calm down, because that is not going to help me in this situation. So for me, I like to have a flow and I bring myself to a calmness, and that really helps with that.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: What type?
Like, what style?
I practice mindfulness meditation.
It's that the same type?
[00:09:18] Speaker B: Yeah, sometimes it differs. So I'll do, like, mindful meditations or I might do a guided one.
It's mostly for, like, interviews and things like that, but I like to use it before I talk to people and things like that.
It's just a beautiful practice. And, you know, meditation is just a powerful tool, yet.
[00:09:39] Speaker A: It is indeed. And so what do you hope people take away from your podcast?
[00:09:56] Speaker B: That anything is possible, you know, and people that have looked at my podcast know I have struggled, you know, especially this Past year has been on and off. You know, there's been many great sayings and some step backs, but being autistic or having disabilities is not. Doesn't have to limit you or make you stop living your life.
You know, there is more to life than like society has made it. Like people, disabilities, you don't have much going on for you or much of a future. But that is absolutely not true, you know, so what I want to take from this or people take from this is you can do anything you want. It is unlimited. What you can do, you know, if you put the work in and you believe in yourself, anything is possible. And that's what I want them to take away from this. And if they can get some for my story, I am grateful to give that.
[00:10:49] Speaker A: So what do you do apart from the podcast?
[00:10:57] Speaker B: I'm sorry, could you repeat that?
[00:10:59] Speaker A: What do you do apart from the podcast in addition to it?
[00:11:07] Speaker B: Addition.
What I do, I'm really, I like to be involved in community, like organizations, even like Autism mom, she, her organization that she runs, Team Awesomeness, they have, they have such a powerful mission and I'm so grateful to even be a small part of that. And what they're doing is like helping people that are people that like us, you know, that don't have much opportunity with employment. And she's giving them opportunities to be like entrepreneurs and, and give them opportunities to continue going, you know, but without the toxic work environments and be able to ride on themselves. Because as we both know, work environments can be very difficult and most people with autism are actually unemployed. You know, so it's.
[00:12:00] Speaker A: Jude State, I do not have autism.
It's. I have cerebral palsy a bit different.
But I totally get you in that it is difficult for people who think differently and who projects information differently and.
[00:12:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I just love what she's doing and Autism Connect as well. They're doing many amazing things. They're actually having international conference in April. And what they're doing, I just love to even be a small part of that. I got opportunity to speak at that conference in April when I'm.
It's just a great honor to be a part of that and to keep bringing on that because my ultimate goal, obviously I want to keep doing my podcast as consistently as possible, but I want to be a speaker. And that's my ultimate goal is to be a speaker and to connect with as many people with autism and disabilities as possible and to uplift them because many of us are put down and they shouldn't be, you Know, and I want them to realize that they are not below anybody, that they're as just high stand as anyone else.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
And so you want to be a motivational speaker? I.
What kind of speaker?
[00:13:53] Speaker B: I want to be.
I want to be a motivational speaker of autism and I want to bring acceptance to this community. Because a lot of us, I went through, I was in special EDS in middle school for school, and it was very difficult.
I was severely bullied. I was in job sites. So they sent us to like Walmart to clean up trash and like laundromats. And I didn't realize as a kid, but it was like borderline child labor, you know, and I was like.
And now looking back, I'm like, that is not okay. You know, and. And as a kid, you know, and people are seeing this, seeing you, like, and we would clean cafeterias and dust the hallways and in there. And the people that are in charges in my scene as positive, like, oh, they'll get some work ethic, they'll know how to work. But they don't realize from a perspective of a child, other people are seeing this and they're being faced of a bully, you know, because they see a target and they're like, oh, look at them cleaning up the hallways and things like that. And it's actually very difficult, you know, and it takes us, it takes time away from our schooling and it makes us set apart from our classmates. So it calls a lot of things.
And me and my friends experience a lot of low confidence.
And I just think the school system needs to be rectified with that.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: There are unfortunately a lot of stereotypes surrounding people who have autism that are downright false, offensive.
If they weren't so tragic, they would be hilarious.
Why do you think that in 2020, almost 2025, that the stereotypes surrounding autism are still so prevalent?
I don't have to tell you, but that people think that people with autism are unfunny, unemotional, just savants, think they're better than everyone, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I mean, these stereotypes were only a few years old.
That would be a few years too many.
But these stereotypes have precedent, have been predicted in following people with autism.
Why do you think that is and what do you hope?
How can we turn the page from thinking very misguided thoughts about people with autism?
[00:17:38] Speaker B: I think it's. I think come from many things, you know, some pop culture from TV shows and movies.
And I think it comes from people looking at autism as just one thing. And there is different levels of Autism, you know, there's. There's Asperger's, there's a medium level, and then there's people. There's ones that can't really take care of themselves and are on a lower maturity level.
And we gotta look each person differently, and it comes to more of an understanding because people will see one thing and put in just one box.
And instead of like, okay, p. Each people's different. And if you gotta look at that, you gotta look at the higher spectrum as well. You know, there is Elon Musk. He is. He has Asperger's. He's autistic.
And like I mentioned, Greta Thunderberg is autistic as well, and she speaks of it as a superpower.
And we gotta look at all spectrums and not judge it by one. Singing, putting just a box of. Oh, he's autistic. I've heard it. You know, I've experienced it. Like, oh, you're autistic. You don't look like it. I'm like, I didn't know it was a look.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that too. I. I'm like, how? What? What?
I'm sorry, are your eye pupils supposed to be larger than non autistic people? It.
It's your nose supposed to be bigger? It's like.
Yeah, it's absurd.
But. Yeah.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: So, you know, I think once we bring more awareness to this, and luckily we are, it's starting to come out more. You know, a lot more people bring awareness, but I think it starts with more people that are autistic. Kind of like people looking at them and speaking up, because unfortunately, a lot of voices of Autism gets drowned out, and I think they need to be more hurt.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And where are you from originally?
[00:19:53] Speaker B: Originally, I'm from Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. That's where I grew up. It's kind of a farm town a little bit.
[00:20:04] Speaker A: What brought you to Florida?
[00:20:08] Speaker B: Brought me to Florida.
When I was in school, my main goal was just go there. I. I wanted to.
I did grow up mostly in Gettysburg, but I was originally from Hanover, which is right close to there. And my whole goal was just to move to Gettysburg. And I thought, oh, I was living peaceful, quiet life.
It was not for me. You know, it was very, like. It wasn't. It didn't really align with myself because I was more of, like.
I like adventure and I like to keep growing and opening my mind. Not saying you can't grow there, but it's very stale and stagnant.
And Florida was a big. It was a big ocean. Gettysburg was A pot. And for me, I needed to keep going, and I knew this was it. So I ended up moving my brother and we moved to Florida, and it was like December of 2021.
And I am so grateful. I have grown in ways that I wouldn't have back home.
And it's just been. I met so many people that become family and experiences that I always will take with me.
[00:21:20] Speaker A: So what are you doing right now to prepare yourself to become a motivational speaker for people with autism?
What do you hope that looks like.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: For me as a speaker? I've been working on, actually been. I go to this temple in St. Petersburg, Temple of the Living God, and they have speech, they have classes to help you in public, publicly speaking. And that's been a great outlet as well. And I've been going for, actually, this program that's really helped with memory and comprehension because for me, I want to sound a little bit more professional because, you know, growing up, you know, you. You develop filler words, you know, because your vocabulary is kind of small.
And that's kind of what I'm working on right now, because I want to send the best messages possible, and I don't want to get caught up in the small.
In the small words, you know.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: Why did you choose Florida out of every other.
Which you could go?
[00:22:42] Speaker B: I.
We did a lot of research beforehand, and Florida was just. We visited there before we moved there. We actually took a little trip down to Florida, just kind of see what areas were best, and we just fell in love, you know, I fell in love with the place and the opportunities and so many credible benefits they have down there.
I was like this. I have to come here, you know, and it's. It's just so amazing down there. There's so many opportunities, especially if you're autistic. There's so many organizations down here. And for me, that's one thing I want to work on. I want to start working with some of these organizations and doing what I can to help those that are still struggling with judgments further autism.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: So let's talk about judgments and knocking them down, even internally.
And internally, it's one of the hardest parts. Not to say that externally, it's walking the park, but you know something about that. A lot I can see from how you carry yourself, how you present yourself, how you talk about being autistic. And so what would that journey like for you?
You mentioned before when you first heard you had a autistic diagnosis, autism diagnosis, there was a lot of anger, and you got through that with meditation.
Working out other tools.
How had that continued in helping you work through the self belief, negative self belief believed in transforming them and working through them Add acceptance.
[00:25:31] Speaker B: Well it was a few people in my life that kind of helped us. It was my two older brothers, my one of them Hunter and T and my, my one of my brothers T. He, he passed away.
Went during that time when I was really where I was really struggling back in 2020 and this is when I was very depressed. I didn't really see much of a future for myself back then and. But I remembered what he told me the belief and loved he had in me. You know, like I would say all kinds of crazy dreams even if I didn't believe it. But he always believed in me and he always pushed me to reach that dream wherever I want to be.
And when I was like contemplating a lot of things he, I knew he would want me to keep moving forward and that belief he had me pushed me forward and I started it gave me strength and I believe not only him but source or God, you know. And I started meditating, working out ask for help because I was very hard headed and because I didn't want anyone's help because I was very judged and I didn't want to feel lowered in better people.
[00:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:44] Speaker B: And, and with my brother Al, he's a guy that, he was a, he was a former military veteran.
He has, he's done a lot of things and, and especially working out and bringing himself to calmness and getting more peaceful. I asked help and he was there. Me and him are very close. You know he was, he kind of acted as my parent for a couple years and, and with his guidance I was able to do.
Actually got into Tony Robbins. He has this meditation called priming and that was really my gateway to meditation and everything and all those things and took years. It wasn't like, like that. But I started losing weight because at this point I was nearly £300 and in about six months I was down to 240 and wow. And through all those accomplishments of doing those things that led to that, that's what brought my confidence up. I'm like I'm really doing this. And I chose to truly live life instead of being a victim to it.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: And so what do you do outside of your work?
What do you do on a day off? What do you do for fun?
[00:28:11] Speaker B: What do I do for fun?
I'm a big football guy. I'm. Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, I'm a Bucks fan and sometimes I like I'll go Out watch.
Sometimes I'll go with friends, watch a football game and.
And I like to like. I like to really. I'm a spiritual guy, so I like to talk. I like to learn a lot about philosophy and even Daily. Stoic Guy is one book and I really love to read about. Actually, it's based on Meditations. Marcus Aurelius is actually from his journal, and I really like to spend time in that and learn from these great, great philosophers and leaders and people like Tony Robbins, Ram Dawes. You know, I've been getting more into reading about them, and that's really what I like to invest my time into and hanging out with friends and family.
[00:29:05] Speaker A: And. So you've only been doing autism talk since April, am I right?
[00:29:17] Speaker B: You're correct.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
I know you want to be a motivational speaker.
Where do you envision or want the podcast audience talk to go?
[00:29:42] Speaker B: How about. I love it for it to be a top podcast and autism community.
And I would like it to be kind of a cornerstone of the community where I'm able to attract more people to it and eventually even have people like Elon Musk, Grinder, Thunderbird, people like everybody that is involved with autism or advocate of autism, be a part of that and to bring more. Be able to bring more awareness with that. I kind of wanted to be attached to my speaking, so.
So it can attract more people to it and do my best as it spread awareness.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Have you ever thought about writing books?
[00:30:28] Speaker B: I. I actually. I was thinking about writing a book a long time ago.
It was about. It's a story about a hero that was broken. You know, he lost majority of his family and he's very angry young man that is out for revenge.
But the story kind of goes along. I never wrote it, but what the story was gonna be about basically was his journey of like, he's angry, but after meeting people that meant a lot to him, friends and friends that became family, he sides at the end that revenge isn't worth it. That actually he still had people that loved him and he didn't have to do this anymore because he knew if he took this path that it wasn't good, he was going to be the same person.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: That's very interesting. I'm.
I was thinking about books on autism, motivational books or poetry or something like that.
The creative output.
You clearly have a lot of pageant and a very good head on your shoulders.
And so I just wonder, as you prepare yourself in becoming a motivational speaker, do you have any interest in writing about your journey?
[00:32:16] Speaker B: If later on if people really were interested me writing about my story and we would love to meet for me to have a book out there so they can learn more about me, I would definitely consider it down the road because I. I would love to.
Writing's been interest of mine. I just never really done too much of it, but I definitely would consider it.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: How often did your podcast come out?
[00:32:49] Speaker B: I'm sorry, could you repeat that?
[00:32:50] Speaker A: How often did Japod Cats come out?
[00:32:56] Speaker B: How often I. I typically I'm trying to do it at least five days a week, but it's been more like three to four. And usually those are shorts, but I will have.
My main videos are usually about interviews that I have with people. Like, this month is Suicidal Awareness Month.
There is some autism involved. But I just want. I really. This month I really want to focus on people that are heavily struggling with suicidal thoughts and really not seeing much value in their lives. And I really want to bring that. And actually me and my brother struggle with that and have gained a lot of peace in our life and are moving. We're really living our lives more than we ever have. So he's going to be coming on sometime this month and I'm going to be talking about my story later on.
[00:33:48] Speaker A: Nice.
And so what's next for you in terms of everything you're doing?
[00:34:09] Speaker B: Everything I'm doing. I. I have a vision.
I have a vision of eventually I want to travel.
I'm hoping this opportunity in April leads to other opportunities.
I would love to work with Autism Connect because I just love the organization.
I would love to speak and travel and make my podcasts on the road and just bring more awareness to people of autism that might not get spoken and people that their voices are quiet. I want to bring them up and bring their perspective and their story to life.
And that's my main goal. And eventually I would love to.
I want to work with other organizations and help those with autism, especially children and teenagers, because they are heavily struggling right now.
From what I've heard, it's only getting worse.
So I would really love to help them and show them that there is people that are autistic that are going up in life and are only going further in life. So I would love to be a leader in that and be example of what you can be.
[00:35:21] Speaker A: So wrapping up and I hope he will come back again.
Could you.
A delight to talk to and I'm very glad to know you in Kate, there are any inspiring advocates who want to get more into speaking more into podcasting.
What would be some Advice on some action steps you would give them.
And they come in to do that for their prevention.
[00:36:15] Speaker B: One of the biggest tips I can give, and this is something that I struggle with and.
And it's something gotten better over time, but there's no perfect way because everyone start, they're like, okay, I gotta get this and this and make a podcast. But ultimately, guys, you just got to do it, you know, and there's no easy way of doing this. I just did randomly one night because I'm like, effort. I want to do this. I'm just gonna do it, you know, and it's not gonna be pretty. And you might when you watch it again. Like, I have my old videos I kind of like.
But it's a great way to that and it's a. It's. And that's the way to start because there is no perfect way. But you only get better. I've heard this quote. I just love it. Be bad, be good, because you can only get better from there.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
I like to think that advocates with disabilities and those who have yet to discover or embrace their own disabilities both legend and watch this show in groups within those groups. I'm not naive enough to think that every group takes away the same things from each episode.
So add my get.
What do you hope that those that advocates with disabilities take away from the Zeb Zone? And what do you hope that those who have yet to discover or embrace their disabilities take away from?
It's a bit soon.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: What I would like them to take away from this episode will be this opportunities will come.
And guys, I'm not saying I'm perfect. I went through a lot of struggles and I spoke on that through my experience in school.
And what I would love for anyone to take from this is the sky is the limit, you know, even further than that, you know, and there is people that is fighting for you. There's people in this community that are there for you and will have your back. Because this community, we're all family and you're not alone. And I wish I would have knew that a young age because I did feel alone because I didn't think anyone could understand me. But people can.
And you just got to reach out. And, you know, if you're going through anger or sadness for your diagnosis and you're just kind of in a lost place, reach out and keep your mind open because, you know, life is unexpecting road. You know, I never knew where I was going to go. Florida was not on my list in high school. I did not Know, I was going to land here, but it's been a beautiful journey. And just be open because you never know what's going to happen.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: And what do you hope that those who have yet to discover or embrace their own disabilities would know about autism and what it is really like to be autistic?
[00:40:06] Speaker B: Being autistic, it's, it's a great saying, but there's also things that are not so great, you know, you know, speaking. I still struggle with that.
You know, how you think and everyday life, you know, simple sayings, you know, that you can struggle with.
And, and there, there are signs of this, you know, social interactions or being in crowds. Like, I still struggle with that. I always have to do like a little meditation, breathe.
But these are. It's okay to feel those things. You're not. It's not a weird thing to feel.
And there is struggles with autism, not gonna lie, you know, but those things are worth it for what you gain in abundance through autism.
And every day you just gotta work on it. You know, it's never like overnight it's gonna be good. And also there's masking. You know, people with autism had to kind of mask themselves because they wanted to fit in because they were severely bullied or people just treat them like, almost like an alien, you know. So there is a lot of struggles coming with autism. But, you know, you can get through that and, and let that go. You know, it's going to take time, but once you.
There is a way to fully let it go. But it's everyday progress.
[00:41:28] Speaker A: And engage someone want to reach out to you or find out more about where to listen to autism talk.
How would they do that?
[00:41:48] Speaker B: Well, I am mostly on YouTube. You can find me, you can search me at the app at.
At Autism Talk and it should be popped up. It's going to be like a white logo with a girl that has rainbow colors and she's meditating. And that's my logo. So that's how you can find me.
And also if you want to reach out to me or interested in maybe being a guest, you can reach out to me on Twitter or Instagram. It's capital G, Autism leader.
And I'm more than happy to talk to any one of you. Even if it's not interview, I would love to connect with you.
[00:42:25] Speaker A: How did you come up and design that logo? It's very interesting how.
What would the inspiration behind it?
[00:42:41] Speaker B: You know, I always wanted because I'm with my niche. It's all. Obviously it's about autism and I want to bring more information, people that learn more about their autism.
But I also like to go on the spiritual side of things and I can get deep my talks. So I wanted to something to represent that, you know, and I just thought that was the perfect logo because she's meditating and her energy, you can kind of see it through the logo. And that's kind of what I want to represent.
You know, people that wanted I met, they want someone that, oh, it talks about autism, but on a deeper level as well, you know. So that's kind of where the inspiration came from on my side.
[00:43:27] Speaker A: Well, Gage, I certainly enjoyed this interview and getting to know you and I hope you will come back and do another episode in the future.
It has been a pleasure getting to speak to you today.
[00:43:53] Speaker B: I am absolutely honored and grateful to be on here and I absolutely would love to join again.
Just hit me up and I definitely would love to join again and speak with you once again.
[00:44:04] Speaker A: Thank you very much, my friend. Enjoy the rest of your day.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: You too, brother. Much love.
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